Intro: Welcome to the heart soul Wisdom podcast, a journey of self discovery and transformation. Moira Sutton and her amazing guests share real life stories, tools, and strategies to inspire and empower you to create and live your best life. Come along on the journey and finally blast through any fears, obstacles and challenges that have held you back in the past so you can live your life with the joy, passion, and happiness that you desire now. Here's your host. Create the life you love. Empowerment Life coach Moira Sutton.

Moira: Welcome to season five, episode 90, how ancestral Patterns shape your life and love with our special guest, Jack Blackwell. Jack is a renowned practitioner of family constellation work and a leading voice in the field of healing ancestral trauma. As the founder of healing family trauma, he has helped countless individuals worldwide and families find healing and growth through his workshops and trainings. With over a decade of experience in family constellation work, Jack has developed a deep understanding of the underlying dynamics and traumas within family systems. He works closely with clients to explore the hidden patterns and beliefs that may be holding them back, helping them to release the negative emotions and energy and find a greater sense of purpose, meaning and fulfillment in their lives. Through his work with healing family trauma, Jack has become known for his compassionate and holistic approach to healing. He believes that true healing comes from addressing the root causes of emotional pain and trauma and works with clients to create a safe and supportive space for this process to unfold. Whether through his online courses or in person workshops or his talks, which we're going to jump into, Jack is dedicated to helping clients find healing and transformation one step at a time. So without further ado, it's my pleasure to introduce you to Jack Blackwell. Welcome, Jack.

Jack: Moira, thank you so much for having me. Grateful to be here and connect with your audience in track.

Moira: Well, I'm very excited about it. You're also my last show that I'm doing for the holidays. We've had a lot around adjusting and I so honor you for being flexible and patient with me on my end with things happening. So this is going to be exciting. I know my audience is going to love it. We have never had somebody like you on before, so they get ready for a really cool journey and a learning curve from Jack's wisdom today. So Jack, let's talk about when you're growing up in your family. What was that like? And then please share your family consolation story. How did you get into this? How did this unfold for you? So let's start.

Jack: Sure, sure. Thank you, Mara. I think, like many healers, I believe I chose a childhood that had a lot of trauma. It had a lot of trauma, it had a lot of pain, and thus taking on the original wound and developing my capacities and my gifts. So that childhood experience, a lot of broken bonds in my childhood. A lot of broken bonds in my early experience. And then meeting my father when I turned 18, that's when I met my biological father. He called one day. He said, hey, I want to meet you. I want to talk to you. Completely out of the blue. Was not on my radar. I knew that there was another man out there, but just had made this assumption that my stepfather was my dad. That point at 18, really transitioned for me and began my journey of healing. My journey of healing went from one very different family system of a ton of trauma, shut down, closed, no warmth to a family system of aliveness, had its own version of trauma, but alive, much more supportive, much more loving, much more love based. That was the early childhood experience. That was my early childhood sort of trauma experience.

Moira: From trauma to, like, a love based.

Jack: Transcending trauma to a much bigger picture of what we are.

Moira: Yes. Because a lot of people in families, I know this through my clients, through the years, that if they have trauma or abuse or anything like that, they just figure out other families that's going on in their family, too. You don't really always know what's out there.

Jack: Yes.

Moira: So let's look at this. So what is ancestral healing, and how do you incorporate this role of ancestors into your work? And why is it so important to do this work in this process? Because this was a new thing when I found you and your expertise. I had never heard of it put this way before.

Jack: Yeah. Beautiful. Thank you for the question. I was thinking about it as I prepared for our talk today, and I had a new insight or a new way of sharing it, which I'm very excited about. Yeah. What I realized was, take that moment. So culturally, socially, we generally have a psychological story, and that psychological story is trauma based, and it's based on our lineage, kind of the story I just shared with you a little bit of. But I want to give us a different image. I want to give us a different story, and I want us to imagine that we are infants and we are fresh, oh, so fresh, beautifully fresh out of the womb of our mother. And then we come into our childhood experience. But what I have learned and probably what many, many shamans know and many, many other energy workers know, is that we're not a blank template at that moment. We are not at that moment. I think we're an accumulation of past life patterns. Past life energies. We have solar energies. We have alignments of the planets and things like that. And we also are an imprint and imprinted in that moment, we've already been imprinted with ancestral energies. Ancestral energies. So even at that moment, when society, now, currently our scientific paradigm, tells us, well, you're a blank slate, and then you're going to have childhood experiences, and there's going to be positive, or they're going to be traumatic, and that's going to shape who you are. That's going to shape who you are. But it's not true. It is not true because at that moment of us as an ancestral template, which is really the expertise area that I have, we are carrying grandmother's trauma. We're carrying the patterns of heartbreak that are in our lineage. We're carrying patterns of depression that are in our lineage. We're carrying the suicidal impulses that are in our lineage. So we are already imprinted with those templates. And so what happens is, as you and I and others are kind of taught to resolve trauma, we're like, okay, I'm going to work on what happened with mom. I'm going to work on what happened with dad. I'm going to work on the needs that weren't met when I was a child. And so family constellation work gives us a way of working spiritually and energetically with the ancestral imprints that are inherited. I believe personally that these are a huge aspect of what we are. I think that our childhood traumas maybe, like, I'll make up a number, but maybe it's like 40% of our experience in life. I think ancestral imprints are like 30% of the challenges and blocks and strengths that we also have in our lifetimes.

Moira: I think that's a really good point, that you also added the strength part, because I love to dance when I was dancing the other night with some music, and how different music speak to me, and I know just with the music and how I'm drawn to it, that I've had lifetimes in those different dimensions and all like that, too. So I like that you added the strengths in there, too, not just the negative patterns. How do you think right now we know that there's two wars going on right now in the world? How do you speak to that when you're in front of audiences that, like, what can people do? And if you talked about communities and healing, I like to hear more about that because.

Jack: Sure, yeah, well, I believe that what's happening in society right now is, on one level, it's terrifying. And on one level, there has just been at least since 2016. And I'm not going to judge, especially for those of us in the United States, I think you're up in Canada. I'm not going to judge the political scene, but I'll say that it feels like there has been nonstop terror through the channels, through the news media, et know something's happening with Kim Jong un. Are there going to be a nuclear threat to our existence? Pandemic. The system is going to collapse when it die, the financial terrors. So it's been like nonstop terror, in my opinion, for the last, really almost eight years now. Eight years now. And what I have come to realize personally for myself is actually a way of detaching from it. It's a way of detaching from it and recognizing that the answer is not to solve the political problems. It's not to solve vaccines. Not vaccines. It's actually to hold the highest vibration that I can hold. So because it can become overwhelming for me when I look at the mega picture, the larger picture of what is going on in society, in our world, through the news media, et cetera, and more and more connections with the spiritual side, it's raise my vibration. That's the very simple and maybe not easy, but very simple answer. Yeah, I'd love to hear also if that resonates for you in your journey, especially over the past 510 years.

Moira: I think with the part about raising the vibration, I'd like to hear maybe how you do that with, I know there's gratitude and joy and appreciation and forgiveness and compassion, all those kind of things, and being present in the moment with exactly where we are. I also know that as I'm an extremely spiritual person, that I'm still picking up on. Like, I'll wake up with dreams of war and killing and violence in my own dreams, and I'll wake up and I'll have anxiety and I'll think, where did that come from? Or I want to cry or just an emotional state that I'm like, where is that from? And then I try to be with it, and it's quite hard really to be in that versus go get busy, don't go there with those emotions. How does somebody really detach other than kind of what I was saying, what.

Jack: I do, as you share that, what strikes me is your compassion for humanity, that maybe even almost like joining in, carrying some of the collective trauma, which is pretty extreme right now. And I know that comes from a place in my mind anyway, of love and compassion towards humanity for me, there's a balance. I look at a lot of what we would call negativity that's going on socially. I don't look at all conventional news channels. I don't believe them. I believe and have personal experience that we're being lied to quite often. So I look at alternative channels of information, and then for me, there's this balance of, okay, how do I take in what could be construed, the negativity socially, what's going on, but balance that with my own light so that I'm still taking in the information that's out there, hopefully hopeful, positive, high vibration. Also, in addition to kind of what I see as somewhat malevolent energies in play. But how do I not take in too much? Right? How do I balance? Okay, the shadow is here. I can see the light. I can take in the light. But how do I balance that with my own inner knowing, inner strength, inner vibration? So, one thing, I was talking with my psychic, who helps inform me around business and career decisions and things like that. She said, yesterday or two days ago, I was talking to her, she said, the light is always stronger than the dark. The light is always stronger than dark because. And she had this great presentation, very simple. She said, because the light is connected to source, the light is still connected to source energy. Whereas low vibration influences, some would say maybe malevolent influences, are disconnected from source. Are disconnected from source. So these other energies that are impacting humanity right now, having to feed off human terror, human fear, disconnected sexual experience and things like that. But she's like, no, she's like because that's their source of energy. The light is always stronger. Light is always stronger because we have a direct connection to source energy. So for me, maintaining my own high vibration, still being aware of the dark that's going on socially, finding out where that balance is. And every night before I go to sleep, I call in protectors, I call in helpers. I call in like, okay, let's do Soul work at night. I call in my helpers. Let's set our intentions, but also let's create the space or allow me to shine enough of my light that no negativity comes into the dream space and things like that.

Moira: That's very interesting. I know I'm a Reiki master and a career in a Reiki master, but when I work with a client, or even today, before I started, I cleared the room and then brought in just a calming presence. But I put boundaries up very clearly that no one can step into that area when I'm doing healing work. So that's interesting how you say that. And they can't. I can even see them at times right outside where I said that they cannot come through. And I can sense the different beings there, and they have to honor what I say. They cannot step into that. Do you think the darkness, the shadow, the perpetrators, you teach people, then, how to create a very safe space for them? Because the work you do is very deep.

Jack: Yes.

Moira: And the trust element, I think what I've seen with your work is that you can observe or you can be part of it. Tell us a bit about that, what that looks like so people can understand it more.

Jack: Well, Maura is we were talking about, for the fourth call, a lot of my work at this point, about half of the constellations, in other words, the processes that I lead, that bring healing to the energetic patterns that live within our families. And we all have a bond to our family. And through that bond can be positivity or toxicity, right? Both of those that will be transmuted through our energetic family bond. And more and more, I'm being guided to work with the low vibration forces that come into our family lineages. Malevolent energies. You see this through Germany. We did a constellation just two nights ago around Germany and soldiers in the war and sort of the malevolent influences that were involved in all that. And again, the guidance that I'm getting, as I learn from the field, right, the morphogenetic field is working with high vibration energies. So more and more, as we work with these lower vibration things that show up in some family systems, not all, but some. Sometimes it's relevant, sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's just grandma's trauma, and that's where we're working. So more and more, we're bringing in high vibration energies. And whether that's calling in, invoking into the field Jesus and the high vibration Christian beings, or whether that's. I believe that there are cosmic beings that are here to help humanity at this time of planetary evolution and human evolution, right? Which is so much bigger than you and I, this idea of planetary evolution, so much bigger. So I'm working a lot with cosmic beings, and I've been doing that for about three years. And at this point, I just believe in them so strongly that, oh, these beings are real. At first, I was like, are cosmic beings real? And here to help humanity or not? Is that fiction? Is that true? But such positive results with beings from other star systems of high vibration that are here to help humanity. So when we're working with the family system, basically, we're working with the trauma on one level, but on another level, we're just bringing so much light into people's lineages and family systems that these traumas and issues of ancestral just begin to resolve themselves. So more and more to what you're speaking to, it's just like, how can we just bring in more and more and more light? And I think that's the key to our evolution at this time.

Moira: As we were saying before we moved this call, because there was a decision, or anyway, I felt my family, there was a scam, and we were going to lose money. And it was very traumatic, very traumatic. And we just said before this call that the next day, where I was still shaking, that's why I had to move our call energetically. I was off for sure. But I decided to forgive that person, because there's no use holding bitterness or any of that. It's just let go and forgive. And that's where you talk about, too, about compassion for people, for humanity, or what's going on right now in the world. And I know when you said that earlier, I get tears in my eyes when it really speaks to my soul. I know that that's where it's going. These shifts that you work with, this energetic process, if one person does the work in the family, does it then go through the families? Is that how you do it? Through the different future to come in the past, with generations, with trauma.

Jack: So it's almost like we're a spoke in a wheel. And if you can imagine us being a hub, there are many hubs. Mom has a hub, dad has a hub. And you can imagine spokes like on a bicycle tire. If we shift the position of our hub to a higher vibration, every other spoke in that wheel shifts position along with us. And I've had so many occurrences where someone does the work, this ancestral healing work, this lineage healing work. Let's say they do it around mom. Mom's not at the event. Mom has nothing to do with the event. They don't even know the event that's happening. But this client is like, wow, I really want to resolve things with my mother, because I feel like that's blocking me in, having more love in my life, having more. That's a very common thing I might see. And she does the work, and she finds some soul resolution. This is not about the trauma of mom and dad. This is like, this is the perfect mother for me. This is the perfect daughter for mom. Maybe they've been through many, many lifetimes together, but they do this piece of work, or she does at the event, and she feels some kind of soul resolution where there's been a shift in her soul, and she says, oh, my God, I get it now. I get it. Why this is the perfect mother for me. And I feel a flow of love towards my mom once again, which I haven't felt in years. And maybe this client hasn't talked to mom for two or three years, let's say. And I've had this happen many times. And two days later, for the first time in three years, mom calls and says, wow, I really want to work on our connection. I really want to work on our relationship. I've been thinking about you a lot lately, and I miss you, and I really want to bring some healing. It's like the one person does the work and they shift, and everything else.

Moira: Shifts around them, and it might shift in a different way again. When I do work with people and they do breakthroughs at a belief level and a core level that might end up, their marriage ends or something that was just part of the contract, sort of, to have a child, and then they go down a different path, and that's a healing in itself also.

Jack: Yeah, I think so many times we see this with a lot of women, because women are doing more work, obviously, right now than men are, and they're scared to do the work because they know it might mean, wow, I may have to let some things go, and that may even be my primary partner. But then, of know, as you know, Moira, the biggest thing, and it's hard, it's not easy, but the biggest thing is, can that person be in their soul integrity? And if their soul integrity is, wow, there are things I have to let go of because my soul needs to move forward, because I need to bring my gifts to the world, for example. And I know that my relationship with my husband doesn't support me to bring my gift to the world. So much courage, so much courage there to do that kind of work, and just so much love to anybody that's doing the work. That may have to let go of old relationships, but a constellation work would say we would work with a high vibration statement, and that high vibration statement which infuses love into a family system or a family field might be. And the love remains. And the love remains. We're closing this chapter. The love will still always be there between us. And so it's to still maintain the love bond that we have, but still move forward in a good way that serves our soul, our highest.

Moira: Well, let's go with that. With our soul, our bringing our work out into the world, finding more meaning and fulfillment in our life. How does this process of family consolation work with helping somebody with that? Because a lot of the people who are listening to this, they're constantly searching for their life purpose. They want more meaning. They don't want all the things anymore. They want more experience in life, more connection. And to find what that life purpose is, it doesn't have to be like an Oprah or some big, big thing. It could be you're the best baker in town or just that you enjoy making herbs or whatever.

Jack: That is so beautiful. And while I do this work that looks at family lineages, because that's my expertise with it, many of the people I work with are actually blocked healers. Blocked healers?

Moira: What is that? Let's hear.

Jack: They just come to me. And so many of them. Blocked healers. Okay. If you're a very spiritual oriented healer and you want to bring spiritual medicine from a lineage lens, that imprint. We're infants. We're infants, and we have brought in a template of ancestral trauma and strengths. But what we see many times is you look at a lineage and the healers, you, and I, as hopefully, medicine workers bring in, we have a tendency to be more connected to the healers and our lineage. Right, because they have gifts, and we bring forth their gifts. But then we also see on the trauma side is many times the healers, especially alternative healers, outside of the church, outside of the Christian paradigm, they've been executed, they've been marginalized, they've been shut up, and they've been silenced. And so many times, while we carry the gifts of the ancestors in our lineage that have the medicine, we also carry imprints of, oh, this is what happened to the medicine workers that were outside of the normal social norms. And so we're going to have to do work on that. We're going to have to do the energetic work. So I get many healers coming to me, and we look back in the lineage, and we're like, oh, great, great, great grandmother was burned at the stake, so you and I can have an imprint of being terrified of presenting our medicine to the world. We don't know why, we don't know what it is, but it's almost like a life and death terror. And then we look on a lineage level, and we're like, oh, people did die for sharing their gifts. And that's in my lineage in particular. So that's one of the interesting things I don't know. If you riff off that I'll share my own journey of following my own soul calling and leaving the job of a flight attendant for ten years, but that's a different story.

Moira: Yeah, well, let's just look at that. What you're saying in your story.

Jack: Sure.

Moira: You had shared that you had been leading family constellation ancestral healing events for five years when you hit a wall. So what happened there? And how did your intuition help guide you in the next eight months? Because you literally listened to that. So tell it. I think that's interesting to share that.

Jack: Sure. That goes more into the trauma work, the trauma side of things, which certainly has a place for all of us. I realized I had been leading events, constellation events for five years. Before that, I trained in hylotropic breath work, and that was a two-year program. That's a big program, and leading events in that. And about five years into really stepping into my events, I totally froze up. I totally froze up. And something inside of me was like, I cannot lead another event. And maybe many people listening to this that are in the healing realm might resonate with this challenge or this issue. And what I realized was I had been overriding my inner little boy, and he was terrified. He was terrified of putting this stuff out into the world, terrified of making an offering to people on my list, and maybe nobody would respond, right? And so the template of this, of course, is childhood. The template of this is like wanting recognition from mom. Like, mom, see me, see the gifts, see what I did, see the painting I did. And mom's saying, I don't have time right now. I don't have time right now. And you put your little picture up on the refrigerator that you drew, and nobody looks at it. You can imagine this paper just getting wrinkled and old and faded, and nobody looks at it. So then when we come into the Healing realms and we start trying to bring our gifts to the world, it rubs up against, for many of us, that early childhood template of mom, can you meet my needs? And moms say, no. And so we are directly corollary to that as we start to offer our events to the world. And so, for me, I was offering my events, but I wasn't aware of how much I was brushing up against this early childhood trauma. And so I came to this place where my inner child just said, absolutely not. No more. It's too scary. It's too painful. I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. And something in it felt right to me. Something in it was like, no, this is for the highest and best. I don't know what it is, but this is for the highest invest. And I was checking in. I'm like, oh, God. I fortunately had some money in the bank at the time, so to not work for a little bit, and that makes a difference, but I was like, okay, sold. What do I want to do? What's in alignment for my soul right now? And I was in Colorado, in Boulder, Colorado at the time. And I'm like, all I want to do is go hiking in the mountains. I was like, okay, I'll go hiking in the mountains. And for eight know, all I did was like, plan the next hike, plan the next adventure, let go of work. There were some things I had to be responsible for, and I barely struggled, but I held onto those. I did what I had to do, and I just went hiking and I just listened. I was like, will my drive to work come back? I think it will, but I don't know. And at the end of eight months, all of a sudden it was like, okay, I want to lead an event. I want to lead an intro to family consolation work. And so I was like, okay. And so I put it out there with some trepidation to my tribe. Very, very well received. So many people signed up right away with like, no, this is in flow. This is perfect. And I got so excited, Moira, that I was like, okay, I want to create a weekend event. And so my next creating a weekend event, like, oh, Friday and all day Saturday and all day Sunday. And immediately, my inner child shut down. He said, no, not doing that. And over the process of the next year, I went back and forth. And what I learned how to do was to put my inner child's needs first when creating an event. And anytime he said, jack, no, it's too much, I would back off. But he learned to flip. I'll curse sometimes. He learned to flip and trust me. He learned to trust me. I'm like, no, I've got Little Jack's needs first because this is very scary for little me. And look at my lineage, too, right? The marginalized healers in my own lineage. And that was kind of this journey of reconfiguring how I showed up in the world, where I had to learn to put little me, little inner Me’s needs first. And, yeah, I hope that's a value to some of our people listening and.

Moira: That whole idea about playfulness and heart play and intuition, bringing that all into what we do. I know I mentioned to you earlier that I love to dance, and especially if I'm cooking with music on, and my husband and I'll dance together at night and have a glass of wine. And then I realize again, listening to music, just how my body moves, like yourself retreats in that I'm like, I don't want to do the whole thing. Maybe I just lead the dance part, the movement part, and teach people that. But to really listen to that and that inner voice and that inner child. Now, I read here about systemic. No systemic. There we go. I got the word. Systemic constellations. Is that the same as what we're talking about with family constellation?

Jack: It's an overlap. It's an overlap. Systemic constellation work. Basically, we can use the field, the morphogenetic field, to access any dynamics around systems. Like some people might set up a quote unquote constellation, like a social constellation around what's happening in the Middle east right now. Okay, let's look at Israel, let's look at Palestine, let's look at other forces that are involved. And accessing the other side, the consciousness, the wisdom of the other side, we can see the hidden dynamics of what's in so. And some people even do business consolations. So they'll take consolations into a business that's struggling. Maybe marketing is knocking along with production and leadership. It feels disconnected. And so we can bring a constellation into that system to look at what are the hidden dynamics in play? What are the deeper level dynamics that need to be addressed, to be healed. And so this is a very different level than the mental level. Like, the mental level is so limited, it's necessary, and it absolutely has a place, but it's so limited by ego structures and things like that, relative to seeing the deepest level dynamics of what's really in play. What's really in play. So, systemic constellations allow us to look at any system from a spirit level lens to see the hidden dynamics and to bring resolution. Right. To shift the energetics of the patterns.

Moira: Let's look at that right now. What do you see for some of the hidden dynamics with these wars that are going on right now and everything around it?

Jack: Yeah, I believe we are at a point. I'm going to give you the high vibration. I have beliefs around a low vibration version of this story, too. But on a high vibration level, we're being forced to wake up. We are being forced to wake up as we're not just human. We are so much bigger than that. The planet's consciousness is evolving, that is so much bigger than us and everything. And we're going to be pushed. And I think things will get, unfortunately, from what I see from the spirit side, things are going to get worse. Things are going to get worse, unfortunately, over the next couple of years before they get better. But we're being pushed to wake up being pushed to wake up to what we are. We are human beings. We are souls having a human experience. We're souls having a human experience. And it's time for us to wake up for that. It's time for us to wake up too many lifetimes. It's time for us to wake up to. We came into the perfect family system, even if it's incredibly painful, because there's something we need for our soul evolution and our soul, you know, this kind of almost like malevolence that's in society right now. It's almost like the war machine of the United States right now is going crazy. It's going know, it's not just Ukraine. It's not just, oh, we're going to give tons of money through our weapon systems to Israel. It's like now we're bombing Iranian targets, now we're bombing. It's a little insane right now. So then how does this relate to us? Because there's this overwhelming trauma in the field. It's like, all right, how can you and I hold our light? How can we hold our highest vibration? And as I see it, that's where we're being asked to do right now. And I think the pressure, the pressure cooker is going to get more and more. But I don't know about you more, honestly, but I see so many more people waking up right now. Waking up to like, oh, this is the Matrix. Let's wake up. Let's bring our highest vibration online and channel more light into the world, because I think that's what we're being asked to do right now, channel more light into the world by embracing our own beauty, by embracing our own light.

Moira: I'm just taking that in, what you're saying with that. Because a lot of people, I think you tell me, how does a person really embrace every part of who they are? Like, they're light but also, they're dark also, because we're connected, all of us. When you think about that, we're part of what's going on. So, yes, if we all started raising our vibration and coming from a place of love and compassion and empathy and all those goodies, which there's a lot of light workers on the planet, and yes, I founded wake up academy many years ago because I knew this was coming, but that whole area. But how people really embrace their light and also accept the darkness that we have within us, because we all have that.

Jack: I love it. It's one of the. Such a love that we're having this conversation. Such a key question. So share a little bit about my journey so many times in family consolation work. One of the core paradigms we're working with is victim and perpetrator dynamics core paradigm. And I could not, as I stood in, as a representative, so people stand in and take roles. It's a bit like role playing, but it's much, much more mystical than that because of what comes through us. It's very magical. And I could not embrace perpetrator energies, I couldn't embrace perpetrator energies. I couldn't embrace darkness energies. And for whatever reason, I was guided in my own soul. And some of my teachers, master teachers at the time, said, okay, you need to work on this. And so for the next three, four years, wow, I really worked on when I would go to a medicine work, I've worked with some of the plant medicines, some of the shamanic medicines from South America. Things like, was, I'd go to a group, I was always like, all right, I want to embrace my perpetrator. I want to embrace my. So for three, four years, I was really strongly focused on embracing my own perpetrator, my own inner perpetrations. I've seen past lifetime where I was very malevolent and really allowed a lot of really dark things to happen as a military, as a military person. And so owning that, like, oh, right. And my. The recognition that I've come to and I've really kind of put this into synthesis about two years ago, is, to me, the optical. The optimal optical, the optimal human expression is wholeness, is wholeness. That when you and I can embrace and the people listening can embrace every part of what we are as humans, when we can embrace the light lifetimes, the dark lifetimes, the part of us that's petty and malevolent, when we can embrace all of this, then we become whole, right? Then we're the wholeness of the human experience. And then choose light. It's not because we're suppressing our darkness and choosing light, because that's kind of a false light. It's avoidance, it's protection. It's not complete, it's not whole. But when we can be everything and own everything and own it all, you see this within family systems, too. The darkness in our family systems. Can we hold love for the perpetrators in our lineage? For the grandpa who's a pedophile, it's horrible. It's horrible. And I'm not talking about spiritual bypassing the grandpa. It's the trauma exists. The trauma is real. But can we get deeper than that and see that, oh, my gosh, this being was playing a perfect part in the family system, as horrific as it was. And not to disregard the trauma, but can we still hold love for grandpa? Can we give him a place and even see the trauma that he experienced because he was molested by his mother or his father, and so he became perpetrator. So can we hold wholeness? As humans, I believe, is the highest evolution. And from that place of being able to choose everything, the palette of human, and choose love and light, I believe that we are in our strongest soul selves when we are able to begin coming from that place more and more, almost like we become a living embodiment of that, of light into the world and transcend the duality of light and dark when we love all of it.

Moira: I love that. Yes. I used to teach that we have a soul blueprint. And like you were saying, people step up and say, I'll play that role. It's not really a nice role. It's like, can we get our head around it? For sure. But people, at times, if we want to learn and grow, as you were the victim and perpetrator, that person had to play that role for us to grow in an aspect of ourselves. So that takes a lot of love to step in and play that role, if you look at it from that standpoint, for sure. So how does a person, what do you do in an exercise for people to connect with the field, that higher level of intelligence, our soul, the presence of God within us?

Jack: Yeah, I can do a short meditation with you, which I think is pretty fascinating. Maybe five minutes. I'd like that value. Let's do that. Let's do that. I'm going to shorten this. This is normally a little longer. This is a meditation I do to open all of our events. And the premise of this meditation, the reason why we do this, is to fill our energetic field with love and light before we go into a field which could include low vibration dark energies and trauma energies and things like that. So let's just do one aspect of this meditation.

Moira: Wonderful.

Jack: All right, so let's you and I and anybody listening long just kind of go inward. So into our inner space, into our kind of core, our core self, and really connecting with the heart space, and let's breathe in some energy. Into our heart space. And let's imagine breathing that in from the earth that we're on. So rooting down into the earth, breathing up earth energy into our entire energetic field, letting that fill us with nourishment resource, just like a giant tree and plants rooting down, receiving their nourishment from the planet, which is what a beautiful gift, right? The love of the mother to give to us. And even imagining, like, to even imagine the cosmic realms, the spirit realms of guides and helpers and angels and energies. And so calling in their love and support, welcoming, welcoming, receiving their gifts. I've learned with cosmic and with the other side, we have to ask, and it's relative to freedom of choice, that they can't unilaterally give us love. They can't unilaterally protect us. We have to ask because of human freedom of choice, it's inappropriate for them to step in. So let's call in their love and support for us. Let's call in their nurturance of how much they love us. They know that we're on our perfect path. They know that there are some areas where we're doing incredibly. They know that some areas where we're still struggling. They know our perfect plan. And they love us just unequivocally. Right? So, receiving love from the earth, receiving love from the spirit realm, and you can even breathe in. And as we breathe in, breathe in the vibration of the. Yes. To receive their love, nourishment, support, and also holding, not the ego. This is not about us. The more love we receive, the more love we have to share with our brothers and sisters. It's simply that it flows. It's not about us. It's about flowing through us. Yes, we receive. And then, in our mind's eye, receiving love from the earth, receiving love from the spirit realms. Let's imagine looking back at our lineage. Let's imagine looking back at mom and dad, at grandma and grandpa, great grandma, and great grandpa, all the way back. And if you go back ten generations, there's like 1000 ancestors in that line, right? And you and I, we all know the psychological story. We know the psychological story of mom, we know the psychological story of dad and grandma and grandpa and how we didn't get our needs met. We're very aware of that. That's great, but let's balance it a little bit. Let's bring in a higher vibration story. So, still breathing in spirit realms, breathing at earth support earth nourishment could be coming in through the roots of the balls of the feet or through the first chakra, breathing those in. And imagine looking back at mom and dad. But imagine seeing the divine spark. Imagine seeing, perhaps it might show up as a candlelight in mom's core, or a glow, or a radiance, or maybe even a radiance that shines through the eyes and a glow, divine spark in dad. Or a radiance, or a glow. But this is the part of mom that is connected to source energy. This is the part of dad that's connected to source energy. This is way deeper than the trauma story. This is a different level that is valid. And this level is valid also. You can imagine seeing grandma and grandpa, their glow, their radiance. These are the grandma. And know, as you mentioned, Myra, that chose this lifetime. And maybe this lifetime, they needed to be a perpetrator in the lineage so that other beings around them could learn their soul lessons. It's a hard path. It's a hard path. And we can look down and see our own radiance, our own glow, our own luminescence or illumination, and that maybe this was the perfect, is the perfect mother for us this lifetime, perfect experience for our soul growth, for our soul evolution, for raising our vibration and consciousness and supporting you and I. To bring our soul medicine to the world, we had to learn certain wounds, and this was a lineage where we could do that same with dad. Highest vibration of him. This is the part of him that's connected to source energy. He's had many lifetimes, and sometimes he's been victimized, and sometimes he's been a perpetrator, and some lifetimes have been filled with great joy and love, and sometimes he's been abandoned and traumatized deeply. This lifetime, he chose you. He's like, you're the right daughter for me. You're the right son for me this lifetime, so both of us can learn our soul lessons. And maybe sometimes you've been with this soul many times before. Maybe this is a soul you have a deep, deep, deep connection with, and you've did many lifetimes. And sometimes you've been the father, sometimes you've been the mother, sometimes you've been the child. And then looking down at our own soul radiance once again and seeing if you can allow in and connect with the divinity of these souls with the divinity of your lineage having a human experience and just see how this feels in your body. Some of you may be able to follow this, some not, depending on the level of trauma that's resolved or unresolved. It's all welcome. But breathing this in. Breathing the divine connection with the lineage, the divine connection with the family system. Breathing in the cosmic realms, cosmic helpers being a yes to receiving their love and energy so it can flow through us. Breathing in earth nourishment as she evolves to a higher consciousness at this time, through us, we are a part to play in her evolution. So seeing if you can breathe this in and giving all of this a place in your heart, and we'll take a couple of deep breaths together. Just see if you can find your own perfect rhythm for this. And then turning forward and seeing if from this level, you can have your family system at your back. Because at this level, they know your perfect path. They absolutely support you at the highest self level. This is way deeper than the psychological story. They absolutely have our back. And even if they can't say it psychologically, they love and support us, and they want us to succeed. They want us to thrive. They're grateful that we're bringing this healing to the lineage. Those of us that have come in have carried some of the family traumas. So one more deep breath together, and then we'll come back, and then we'll come back to the call. Turn it back over to you, Moira.

Moira: Thank you very much for that. It's very powerful. I can feel when spirit comes in. I don't know for yourself to let me know that they're there, which I can tell when they're there, but they also do things like touching my nose and putting pressure on my nose or my hands vibrating, and that was happening during that. So that was pretty cool. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. I really like that you shared that. Know, Jack, how do you define the language of the soul? Why do souls do what they do? Put a little humor in there.

Jack: It's funny, there's a book, one of the master teachers in our field, John Bain, all about why souls do it. The language of the soul name of his book. And basically, as I talk to my students about it, I'm like, okay, the language of the soul, because that's the right verbiage for me also. And I translate that to, okay, the language of the soul. I translate to that to why souls do what they do. Why souls do what they do. And in family constellation, work as students of the work. What students are working. What I have learned, what we're learning, is why souls do what they do. And it's very different kind of coming back again. We're kind of regressing a little bit in our conversation, but hopefully in a good way. The reason why you and I, and other souls, many of you on this call listening, do what you do based on your childhood experience, is so much deeper than trauma. It's so much deeper than trauma. So to give an example, grandma, say, grandma, go back to the infant model, right, that we've inherited a template. Grandma's heart was broken, devastated. She lost her first two. Let's make up a story. She lost her first two children, and her husband left or didn't support her. So she wasn't able to grieve this massive loss because she's got three other children who survived living. She has no support, and her heart shuts down. Her heart shuts down. And so passed down the lineage is this broken-hearted energy, this broken hearted energy, closed heart. And so the template, we come in, we're a baby, and what we receive through the lineage, because for some reason, as a soul, we have a particular connection to this grandmother. Maybe we have a deep love for her, even if it's unconscious, even if we've never met her. But we receive this broken heartedness. So we come into the incarnation. We're a little child. And usually, I think what we do is we have our childhood experience, which has its own trauma. But I also think we have this broken-hearted grandma energy that lives in us. And so we're trying to find relationships. We're trying to find love in life. So difficult for us to find love in life. And maybe what many of us find ourselves doing is like, oh, I keep choosing partners, and I keep being broken hearted. I keep being broken hearted. I don't know why it is my partners are never there for me. They leave. I had a miscarriage. I had two miscarriages. And then they come to do soul work. They come to do soul work, not psychological. And they go back and they say, oh, my God. I've been carrying grandmother's trauma out of love for her, and I've been reenacting her trauma patterns right through this lens of family constellation work we're able to resolve, because what we do, we bring in for grandmother, even she's not living anymore, but we bring in for her soul the soul essence that's been imprinted in this lineage, the healing resolution that she needed as a soul. Her psychology was why I lost my two babies. And it was so brutal. And I was never able to love again. And my husband wasn't there for me. But we can reconnect her with the energy of these two souls that were lost, and she can hold them again, and we can rebound the love that was lost. And all of a sudden, when that love is rebounded, now she can see her three children who were living. She wasn't able to see them anymore because her whole heart shut down. And she sees them, and then she sees her perfect soul growth in this lifetime and that there was still love between her and her husband at the deepest level, at the soul level. And so we can rebound with love, but the lineage trauma energy has now been resolved, and all of a sudden, our client is like, oh, grandma, I can leave you in peace. And I see what happened to you, and I see that nobody talked about your trauma in the family system, and so your trauma is excluded. Now I can be at peace. And we might say a soul statement, which might be, grandma, look kindly on me as I find love and rejoice in a loving partnership. And the grandma lights up, and she has, you have my blessing. You have my blessing to love wholeheartedly. And I'm so grateful for what you carried for our family, for our lineage. So this is the soul level. It's a very different level than the psychological stories, and yet we are so much bigger than psychological stories. So let's work at that level to bring healing and resolution. Yeah, that's hope. That was valuable for people.

Moira: Oh, for sure. The psychological know and the soul patterns and soul level. That was beautiful, and it's a beautiful place. We're coming close to the end of our heartfelt conversation, Jack, but I like what you just shared there, for sure. Where do you see the field of family constellation work evolving in the next coming years? You talk about that. We're still going to have UC for the next two years, at least. All this stuff going on in the world out there, and where do you see the work involving and how.

Jack: I think it's really going to a cosmic awakening. We have been doing the lineage healing trauma for a long time, the trauma healing concept. Now we're starting to incorporate spiritual models in this work, in medicine work, in the work that you do, the Reiki work. Right. Energy. Energy. And I think there's a transformation and a transition coming to a cosmic presence where we actually recognize and start to wake up to the fact that we are cosmic beings having a human experience. We've had cosmic lifetimes. We've had human lifetimes. So how do we reconnect with a much, much bigger picture of what we are and when we can do that, we see the human experience from such a smaller lens. It's beautiful, the human experience, not to minimize it. But to say, wow, this is just one fractal of many lifetimes of many experiences, of many planetary evolutions. Like, this is my one little experience as a human. And I think when we get to that, it's almost like we can laugh a little bit more and just like, oh my God, I was taking this so seriously. So seriously. But it's like perfect. Even in the seriousness, it's just crazy and it's perfect. So I see the field as evolving. A lot of my work is evolving where I'm actually clearing negative, low vibration energies out of family lineages. See a lot of the sacrifices, sacrifices through the church, a lot of malevolence through the church. Unfortunately, people that come into me are people that, yeah, I feel like there's darkness in my lineage. I'm a healer and I'm blocked. Those are the people that I'm generally calling in. But it's to raise our image. And I see that as the evolution of consolation work where we're transcending the human experience. It's time for us to wake up. And that's part of what's being asked for us on the planet at this time. And so we can use the field like, oh, let's set up a client and let's set up their cosmic self and let's let the field show us, like, oh my God, here's this lifetime, cosmic lifetime that I was blocked, and that's why I'm having troubles on the human experience. So transcendence to a cosmic perspective, I would say, is one of the biggest elements of evolution.

Moira: That's beautiful. This show is all about raising our know to heal Mother earth, humanity, out into the universe and the galaxies and out into the cosmic. So it's about raising that consciousness, the awareness, waking up and love and light. So that's just a perfect note. Jack, I would love you to share the gift that you'd like to give to our listeners today. And I really appreciate it. And please note that all the links to Jack, his trainings, his work, and the gift will be below in our show notes from this episode.

Jack: Yeah, thank you so much for allowing me to offer that, Myra. I appreciate that. Yeah, I offer events almost weekly, and I have a special event invite list through email. And people on that list can come to events anytime for. So I want to offer that, like, if people want to come check out family constellation work, check out this soul level lineage healing channeling, in a way, channeling based modality to cleanse and purify lineages. They're welcome to come, just reach out to me, mention your podcast. Happy to add them to that private event invite list. The events are about 3 hours and quite deep and we have a beautiful spiritual community that people can participate on even online. It's quite lovely that we do this work and just reach out my website healingfamilytrauma.com healingfamilytrauma.com and they can reach out to me by email at jack@healingfamilytrauma.com happy to add people to list also to answer any questions. And I can share many YouTube videos and things like that where these processes have been recorded. And you can find me on YouTube too through google pretty easily. So that's a great way to reach out and hopefully let's all wake up. Let's all wake up together. It's quite beautiful.

Moira: That is beautiful. Jack. Thank you for sharing from your heart and your soul your wisdom today on how ancestral patterns shape your life and love. Namaste.

Jack: Namaste.

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